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Should We Declare Bankruptcy?

February 2, 2010 by 14 Comments

Is Bankruptcy Our Only Way Out?

A reader writes:

My husband was a lawyer for 4 years before going to seminary and becoming a minister. Now with living on his severely reduced salary as a pastor the student loans seem like they will never be paid back. Is going bankrupt our only way out? (We still owe over $250k.)

 

Tawra: I know this must be difficult for you. This is a touchy subject for some but it’s a question I get a lot. No, going bankrupt is not the only way out.

Bankruptcy is intended to help people who end up financially strapped because of reasons beyond their control, like catastrophic medical expenses or the death of a spouse. Bankruptcy can be a good thing for emergencies, but I don’t think it is ethical to claim it for “poor planning”. I understand that it may feel like this situation is beyond your control, but it is actually the result of choices that your husband made. Even if he made those choices before marrying you, if you married him knowing about his debt, you accepted that responsibility with him.

I believe that when you take out loans, that you should not be able to claim bankruptcy on them. (In fact, you can’t get out of student loans through bankruptcy, so if they’re student loans, you have no alternative but to pay them.) You signed the note saying you would pay back the loan. The banks, credit card companies or other creditors are not responsible if you decide to change careers. If you claim bankruptcy for expenses you no longer choose to honor, it is really lying (because he promised to pay it back) and stealing (because if he stayed in law, he would have been able to repay it, rather than to make the credit card companies and their customers responsible for his decision to change his mind).

What can you do? That is a lot of money to owe and I can understand how overwhelming it must be, but it is your responsibility to pay it back. There are several options in your case:

Your husband could go back to being a lawyer, earning lawyer’s pay and and spending only a pastors expenses for several years, paying the balance to debt until it’s paid off. This is probably the fastest and easiest way to pay it off. If your husband is serious about preaching, he could practice law and preach part time until the debt is paid.

Your husband could work part time as a lawyer and part time as a pastor.

He could continue as a full time pastor and get a part time job on the side.

You could get a job. If your kids are small and still at home then you would need to get a job during your husband’s off hours so you don’t have to pay day care.

Do any on the side jobs you can. Can he mow lawns? Can you do ironing or child care?

It will take a long time to pay it off but you can do it. I do think that if your husband is a pastor then he needs to pay off the debt because he is the leader of a church and it is his responsibility to set a good example to his congregation. Ministers are not perfect, but God does require a higher standard from them. I believe that if God has called your husband into the ministry, God will make a way for you to pay off the debt without having to declare bankruptcy.

      -Tawra

 

photo by: squeakymarmot

Filed Under: Featured, Getting Out Of Debt, Managing Money Tagged With: Budgeting, debt

Tawra’s Debt Reduction Story, Part 2

February 2, 2010 by 7 Comments

Tawra’s Debt Reduction Story, Part 2 – "The Rest of the Story"
(written in 2005)

Most people know our story about paying off $20,000 in 5 years on an average $22,000 annual income. If you haven’t read it, read it here.

Since then we have had more debt and paid it off/are still paying it off. Here is the rest of our story: When we lived in Idaho, Mike ended up working a job 100 miles from home. Because his new job was so far from home, we decided to sell our house intending to move closer to his job. We had the house on the market for 3 1/2 years while living in Idaho (from September 1996-January 2000). Mike got laid off from his job in October 1999. In December 1999, despite the layoff, we paid off our debt, the last of the original $20,000 .

Mike looked for a job until April 2000. He couldn’t find one in the area and we couldn’t sell our house. We finally decided to leave the Pacific Northwest and move to Manhattan, Kansas to be closer to my brother. He and his family lived 2 ½ hours away in Wichita and needed help remodeling their home. We had to leave the house in Idaho vacant and hope that it would sell eventually. (Mom was still living in Idaho and she was also trying to sell her house to move back to the Midwest.) Until it sold we had to pay $400 a month for the house, even though we didn’t live in it.

The rental market was not good in the small Idaho town and renting the house would not have come close to paying the mortgage and expenses. We paid for our moving expenses from Idaho which came to $2,500 and included deposits for our rental house in Kansas and other related expenses.

At that time, we had two kids, one and two years old. For a while, we were stuck with two house payments: $400 per month for our house in Idaho and $500 monthly rent in Kansas. Mike worked a job making $9.00 an hour so, of the $1500 we earned each month, almost three quarters went to making house payments. We had $600 left for everything else.

Mike’s county government job didn’t have health insurance benefits. We did get some WIC for 9 months and put the kids on state medical for a few months but we didn’t get any other assistance. Our house finally sold in 2000. We sold it for $12,000 less than we paid for it because we realized that it would probably cost less to take the loss at that time than to keep paying the mortgage and getting further into debt. We had to write a check to the buyers for $8,000. To say it made us sick to our stomachs is an understatement!

When mom sold her house, she lost $25,000, so our loss wasn’t as bad as it could have been. We survived for a year on $1500 a month and then $1700 a month until Mike got a better paying job in April 2001 at a TV station in Wichita, Kansas. He was getting $28,000 per year then. We were praying very hard that we would be able to find a house to buy so we wouldn’t have to rent again.

The two rental houses that we had from April 2000-April 2001 were horrid, but with two house payments, we could not afford better. It was so incredibly stressful living in houses that the landlords didn’t want to maintain. Our family was also very sick much of that time. Not long before moving out of the first rental, we discovered mold growing around a pool of water in the crawl space under the house. In the second house, a six inch baseboard fell off the living room wall one day and the back side was covered edge to edge with black mold. God was so good. When Mike got his job in Wichita, we found a 1600 square foot two bedroom house in Wichita that had been recently remodeled. It was even the exact colors that I wanted on the outside!! It’s funny because God really does give us the desires of our hearts!

We didn’t have a down payment and we had $10,500 in debt so we had no clue how we were going to buy it. We soon found out that there was a new program that helped people get home loans for 0% down and roll closing costs into the loan, so we bought the house. We were so excited to have our own place again! Our moving expenses from Manhattan to Wichita were $1,000.

Over the next two years, we had several other large expenses that we couldn’t afford. Mike’s job was not working out well and he was frustrated that he wasn’t earning as much money as we needed. He wasn’t sure he wanted to stay in the video business anymore because the financial outlook for video producers in Kansas wasn’t great. He opted for career counseling which cost us $1,200. Our washing machine and refrigerator both died shortly after we bought the house. Total cost $1,000. Both of the cars needed major repair work in one year, which cost $2,500 more than we had.

When baby #3 was coming along, we bought another house with more bedrooms for about the same price. Almost immediately, the refrigerator died in it, costing us $900.00. We got all that paid off ($17,000) in August of 2003 and again had no debt except out mortgage.

Then in December 2003, one of our cars needed a repair that would have cost more than buying another car. We bought a used Taurus station wagon on Ebay for $6,000, financing it on a credit card at zero percent interest. After our 3rd child was born in 2003, we incurred major medical bills because he had food allergies that went undiagnosed for a year. We spent $3,000 while we were trying to figure out what was wrong with him. We also had to pay cash for all our prescriptions (Thank the Good Lord for Canadian drugs 😉 because our insurance didn’t have prescription coverage.We were paying about $300 a month cash for prescriptions. If it wasn’t for Canadian pharmacies, we would have had to pay over $800 for the drugs here!

We are currently working on getting the car and medical expenses paid off. We concluded that our problem hasn’t been overspending; it has been lack of income. There is a point where you can’t "cut back" any more and you just have to make more money. Our family has been "under – resourced” as one of our readers put it. We are working on that part so that we can include unexpected costs in the budget. So here is a summary of the rest of the story: $17,000 paid off between 2000-2003 $8,000-Loss on house sold in Idaho $1,200- Mike career counseling $2,500- Moving expenses to Manhattan, KS $1,000- More moving expenses to Wichita, KS $1,900- Washing machine and two refrigerators $2,500- Car Repairs We paid off this $17,000 on an average $28,000 income from 2000 to 2003. Gross Income 2000-2003

  • 2000-$16,000
  • 2001-$26,000
  • 2002-$38,000
  • 2003-$34,000

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Average 2000-2003 annual income: $28,500

 

We didn’t pay off the debt as fast the second time for several reasons: Our medical expenses did go up around $500-$1500 depending on the year. We also had the baby on special formula that cost over $200 a month for one year, because of his food allergies. When we moved from Idaho to Kansas our:
Utilities went from $75 to $200 – up $1500 a year

House payment went from $625 per month in Idaho to $800-$900 per month in Kansas – up $2100-$3300 a year, both because of a stronger house market in Kansas and because our family was larger in Kansas Food went from $125 to $250 – up $1500 a year We also have purchased more convenience items than during the first big debt payoff because I have been sicker than usual for the last several years. We didn’t buy a lot of convenience stuff, but we did buy more $5 dinner take out from the grocery store and a few things for the house to “make life easier”. These costs did not add to the debt, but they did make the debt payoff take longer than before.


Our debt as of Summer 2005: This is what we still have to pay off: $6,000- Most recent car replacement $3,000-Extra medical bills (June 03-Jan. 05) By the way, in case you’re wondering why we haven’t received much income from the book business, it is largely because I am only able to work a few hours a week on it because I am chronically ill and, unfortunately, books don’t sell themselves. We are making changes to the publishing business and hopefully we will be able to make more income from it. Anyway, that is the rest of the story. Tawra


Update 2010- at this point we are completely out of debt except our house, which we are working to rapidly pay off in 3-5 years. Mike is currently working full time for Living On A Dime. It is doing better, but he still works 2 other part-time jobs to bring more income. Tawra

From: Dig Out Of Debt

 

photo by: Alan Cleaver

Filed Under: Budgeting, Getting Out Of Debt, Managing Money Tagged With: Budgeting, debt

Breakdown Of Debt Reduction

February 2, 2010 by 5 Comments

We have said that we paid off $20,000 debt in 5 years on an average income of $22,000 per year. Here is an accounting of the debt (over and above our regular bills) and the payments that we made to eliminate the debt. If you’d like to know how we paid it off, here is our debt reduction story.

Debts

$3,000 -Mike’s credit card debt when we married
$2500- Cost of moving to Texas
$2500- Cost of moving to Idaho
$2085- New transmission for our car
$500- Cost of repairing cracked head on the car
(These two repairs occurred when we were in Colorado (1200 miles from home) and needed the car to get home.)
$2500- Purchase 1991 Buick
$7,200- Out of pocket medical bills from the birth of our daughter.

Total debt incurred $20,285.00

Income for years 1995 through 1999
1995- $19,382.00
1996-$17,530.00
1997-$19,646.00
1998-25,444.00
1999-$26,509.00
Total Average income over 5 years $21,702.00

Debt Payments

Monthly

1995- $100 month – $1200/ year
1996- $100 month- $1200/year
1997- $100 month= $1200/year
1998-$300/ month=$3600
1999- $300/ month= $3600

Total- $10, 800.00

Extra

$1,000.00- gift when BJ was born
$1,200.00- gift when Elly was born
$3,000.00- cashed in for Mike’s retirement
$700.00 sold Geo Metro
$601.00-1996 income tax return
$1830.00- 1997 income tax return
$688.00-1998 income tax return
$2359.00-1999 income tax return

Total- $11,378.00

Total Debt Payments- $22,178.00 (includes interest)

photo by: Alan Cleaver

Filed Under: Budgeting, Getting Out Of Debt, Managing Money Tagged With: Budgeting, debt

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